“My mother has bullied me since I was a kid. I’m introverted and quiet, so when she insults me, I usually stay quiet or tell her that what she’s saying hurts. I’ve tried communicating with her about how badly she can make me feel, but she always says I’m too sensitive, need to grow up, or can’t handle criticism. I have tics, and she’s the only family member who makes fun of them. Whenever I tic, she makes a big show of gasping and says I scared her, then imitates me, claiming she isn’t doing it on purpose.
When I was younger, I had a habit of putting too much food in my cheeks, and she would call me the “queen of the pigs,” yelling that I was disgusting.
She also used to get mad at me for my smile in pictures, claiming I was doing it on purpose. I’m autistic, and for years, I struggled to smile naturally. She’s called me lazy and fat, even though I’ve always been close to underweight and was sick for a couple of years, leaving me with barely enough energy to get up. I’m sharing this to explain why I believe she doesn’t fully understand how her words affect others.
Yesterday, while walking home from the gym on a call with my brother and my mother, she told me to “stop clucking like a turkey” and watch my steps after I laughed.
I told her it wasn’t kind and moved on. Later, I joked with my brother, and he joked about me being too old to act that way. My mother said, “I know, right? She truly doesn’t act like she’s twenty. We should just marry her off to her cousin.” My mother has made many “jokes” about marrying me off or telling me I need to find a rich husband to go anywhere in life. I’ve told her many times that these jokes aren’t funny, but she rolls her eyes and tells me I’m sensitive.
I found the cousin comment disgusting and hung up. When I got home, I ignored her, and when I went to make dinner, she said I was being dramatic and it wasn’t a big deal.
This morning, her first comment to me was, “Are you still mad at me?” I didn’t know what to say, so she groaned and asked what she had done wrong. I told her, “I feel like you don’t think about what you say sometimes,” and she responded, “Well, you better watch your mouth. I’ll tell you what I really think of you someday; then you’ll see.” My dad intervened, saying, “Okay, let’s cut the conversation here.”
Later, I asked my dad if what I said was disrespectful.
He said it was, that I can’t speak to my mother that way, and told me to apologize. This doesn’t feel fair because she’s never apologized to me, even though I’ve done it countless times. I don’t understand why I’m expected to be the bigger person since childhood, while she’s never held to the same standard. My dad always justifies her behavior with, “You know how she is.”
I genuinely don’t understand how what I said was disrespectful. Maybe I’m wrong, so am I the jerk for saying that?”
Another User Comments:
“NTJ, you’re underreacting.
What she’s saying is completely unacceptable and you made a mild observation, not even an objection. But also, I want to point out that you’ve told her that her words hurt you and she keeps doing it and didn’t show any remorse for it. That means that it’s on purpose. She knows the effect she has on you and she doesn’t care. Do you have any way of moving out? Finding roommates or anything? Your mom is toxic and dragging you down.”
RivSilver
Another User Comments:
“NTJ. Your comment was, of course, not rude. What it was was questioning her and her motives.
What you need to accept is that your mother has mental health problems. For whatever reason, she has decided that putting you down and making you feel bad makes her feel better. If she can insult you or make you feel bad, it lifts her up a little bit. She is selfish and cruel. You have a couple of choices, and the one you should not pick is allowing this to continue over and over. You could sit down and talk to her, and tell her that she may not realize what she’s doing, but she’s hurting you consistently. If you think she’ll listen.
If you don’t, I suggest going the petty way. Every time she says something that hurts you, you clap back with statements like, “Oh, I must’ve gotten that from you,” or “I guess it’s no different than when you do XXXXX.” I would find ways to put her in her place. From today forward, you will take nothing she says personally. You now recognize that she is awful and broken. That is not your fault. You will see her more with pity than by taking what she says as anything more than an 8-year-old angry that his parents had the nerve to have another child, so he’s going to get attention no matter what.
Your dad is afraid of her too. That’s why he takes her side. If he takes yours, imagine how he will be attacked later.”
OhmsWay-71
Another User Comments:
“You’re NTJ but you’ve misdiagnosed the problem. It’s not that she doesn’t think, and if she thought more she’d be kinder. She doesn’t want to be kind or even fair to you. And she doesn’t need to, because she has influence over you as your mother who brought you up, as the person with age, experience, money, homeownership, and social support for her behavior, and you do not.
You’re right to pick up that there are different standards of ‘respect’ expected from you versus your mother. To quote a random deactivated Tumblr user:
“Sometimes people use “respect” to mean “treating someone like a person” and sometimes they use “respect” to mean “treating someone like an authority.” And sometimes people who are used to being treated like an authority say “if you won’t respect me I won’t respect you” and they mean “if you won’t treat me like an authority I won’t treat you like a person.” And they think they’re being fair but they aren’t, and it’s not okay.”
Unfortunately, you probably cannot change this dynamic by being rational and/or advocating for yourself.
So think about what you say to her (and within this family system generally) more as tactics for achieving outcomes you want, and less as trying to make them understand or be fair to you.”
CityWonderful9800